You cannot have free speech in a free society *

Daily Mail
12.11.2009
By Daily Mail Reporter

Gay people face the risk of greater attack if the House of Lords continues to block a Bill banning “homophobic hatred”, former minister Lord Smith has warned.

Tory peers last night defeated the Government over the issue, insisting that it was important to protect free speech.

Labour MPs vowed to overturn the defeat today when the amendment to criminalise criticism of “sexual conduct and practice” returns to the Commons.

But with the Parliamentary session due to end tonight, some gay rights campaigners fear there will be a race against time to stop the Coroners and Justice Bill being lost.

Ministers face deadlock with the Lords over the Bill, which aims to remove the defence inserted into a previous act by Tory peer Lord Waddington.

The former home secretary told fellow peers they had to maintain consistency with laws against stirring up religious hatred.

Lord Smith, who was the first MP to come out openly as gay, warned that a free speech clause could lead to more attacks on homosexuals. “If the signal that’s sent is that it’s all right to be intolerant … then I fear we will end up seeing more violence,” he said.

Peers voted by 179 to 135, a majority of 44, to uphold the provision despite justice minister Lord Bach calling for the will of the Commons to be respected.

The “free speech” defence provides a protection for “discussion or criticism of sexual conduct or practice” to the law on incitement to hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation.

It has been on the statute book since Lord Waddington succeeded in inserting it into last year’s Criminal Justice and Immigration Act.

At the time the Government opposed it but did not push its attempts to overturn it because of a lack of time.

Full article

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Comment from Benjamin Smith-Kavanagh

The above article by the Daily Mail shows one technique that Governments and media the world over use when trying to bring in their communist like laws on restricting individual’s freedom, that technique is equating the if their proposed law is not enacted that there will be nothing to stop racist / violent people / groups Etc. from terrorising and causing untold damage to innocent people. Therefore anyone who is against their proposals must support or be a racist / violent person Etc. or just simply fail to see the logic / reason why a particular law by a freedom loving and caring Government is needed. If you still fail to see their logic after a while you become shun from the matrix society.

But far from being racist / violent or any other decretory term placed on those who disagree with these tyrannical laws, it is in most cases simple logic why one would be against these laws for every time someone properly examines the text of the bills and the propaganda like arguments sold to the public, you see a different story to the one put foreword by the Government and their friends in the media.

As an article from Wise Up Journal showed last year we are living in a time when the minority make laws for the majority and a simple technique is deployed to stir off proper criticism and scrutiny time and time again which will be shown by using parts the above article

Lord Smith, who was the first MP to come out openly as gay, warned that a free speech clause could lead to more attacks on homosexuals. “If the signal that’s sent is that it’s all right to be intolerant … then I fear we will end up seeing more violence,” he said.

First it starts with he is gay himself so he identifies with the group of people they claim the bill will protect, then free speech (just talking) will lead to attacks and it finishes with intolerance will lead to violence.

Just by changing a few words in that sentence you will see how false his argument is.

Lord Smith, who was the first MP to come out openly supportive of trade unions, warned that a free speech clause could lead to more attacks on trade unions. “If the signal that’s sent is that it’s all right to be intolerant … then I fear trade unions will end up seeing more violence,” he said

Now by showing the actual free speech clause you will see Lord Smith believes that simply discussion or criticism of sexual conduct or practice will cause violence and stir up hatred.

For the avoidance of doubt, the discussion or criticism of sexual conduct or practices or the urging of persons to refrain from or modify such conduct or practices shall not be taken of itself to be threatening or intended to stir up hatred.

If you follow the same logic of Lord Smith you could come to the conclusion that the discussion or criticism of Government policies is an act of hatred and that a free speech clause could lead to more attacks on the Government.

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Guardian
09.11.2009
By Henry Porter

Chipping away at free speech

Government attempts to override a free speech clause in a homophobic hatred bill illustrate its determination to attack rights

“The politically motivated trampling of free speech is something that should concern us all,” says a letter in the Times from the Conservative peer Lord Waddington and the Labour MP and former backbencher of the year David Taylor.

After a free speech clause was inserted into a new offence of homophobic hatred in May 2008 and the bill was enacted, the government has returned to try to get its way by introducing a clause in another bill that repeals the earlier guarantee. You can’t have a better example of the remorseless energy that attacks rights. It will surprise few to learn that the new clause appears in the coroners and justice bill which has been drafted by Jack Straw’s Justice Department. The letter says:

The free speech clause is supported across the political spectrum. Liberty, the Church of England, Matthew Parris and Rowan Atkinson have also joined the ranks who back it.

The old clause says:

For the avoidance of doubt, the discussion or criticism of sexual conduct or practices or the urging of persons to refrain from or modify such conduct or practices shall not be taken of itself to be threatening or intended to stir up hatred.

In March this year this was deleted but the Lords reversed the decision of the Commons in a move that clearly acknowledges the wide support for the protection of free speech and the undesirability of the police monitoring people’s speech and writings for signs of illegality.

Lord Waddington, a former home secretary, who I would suggest has a keener idea of rights and liberty than any of his Labour successors, wrote on this site:

Not so long ago five officers approached a church worker as he handed out invitations to an Easter service and seized them for examination, citing allegations of homophobia.

Not surprisingly they contained no reference to sexuality and the police dropped the matter. But this case should set alarm bells ringing in the ears of all who care about free speech.

In their letter today, the two parliamentarians say: “It is the duty of parliament to try to prevent this from continuing to happen.”

Spot on. It will be interesting to see who votes against free speech.

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